Blog #1: Ableton. It s***s all over Logic
Disturbed by this self-indulgent ranting? Hear my bleating excuses.
Right. So let’s start with the #1 most-asked question. It’s usually worded along the lines of: “What do you use to make your music? Logic?”. Such questions often go on to ask about which plugins I use to make basslines or leads or pads.
I’ll enthuse about plugins, sample libraries, synths and so on at a later date. The thing I want to talk about right now is sequencers.
Specifically, Ableton Live. Quite simply, it rocks. That’s right, I don’t use Logic. And I am aware this casts me as some sort of dangerous eccentric, so I am going to attempt to both justify myself and to suggest that you, too, should give the alternative approach a try.
I’ve tried all sorts of environments. In order: Fruityloops (albeit a much earlier version; I understand the recent versions, now called FLStudio, give just about any DAW a run for their money), Reason (soo much fun, but so limiting), Cubase SX (possibly my darkest and least productive musical period ever), Logic, a brief dalliance with Jurrane’s all-hardware setup (based on an RM1X groovebox) and now Ableton.
And I’ve never looked back.
Logic sounds lovely. It really does. But now Ableton boasts a 64-bit summing mix bus (see, I told you I was a geek), I don’t hold with the view that Logic inherently sounds better. I like to think people don’t listen to the stuff I produce and say “ooh, that sounds rough, must have been done on something other than Logic”.
No, the reason Logic sounds lovely is because it comes with some very Trance-friendly synths and plugins, or rather: synths and plugins which have been so heavily used by a generation of producers that they have become synonymous with the sound, and have thus become the target, the benchmark. And my view is that just because that’s how everyone else sounds, that’s no reason you have to sound the same.
Controversy! (Still, as I pointed out in my reply to Mat Lock’s comment, I’m not implying everyone that uses Logic sounds the same, just that achieving “that sound” is what I think people may be getting at when they think Logic sounds better, and maybe aiming for “that sound” isn’t necessarily the best thing for every aspiring producer to be doing).
So OK, one big concession I will make is that Ableton doesn’t have a built-in suite of plugins that rival what comes bundled with Logic. What it does have, though, is some very very interesting plugins. Stuff that could give your sound the edge. The Operator synth is probably one of my top 3 synths, and at first listen it sounds brittle and digital. It’s raw, it’s gutsy, and once you’ve learned how to use it, then like Native Instruments’ FM8 or other all-FM synths, you can make sounds on it that you just can’t make any other way. I could write a little introductory guide to FM synthesis soon if anyone’s interested?
It can use VSTs just the same too, and I’ve built up a big collection of fantastic synths which, I feel, more than make up for the absence of the Logic staples.
So that’s the negative side. The positive side is the compelling side. The positive side is the workflow. Ableton have designed an application which is so quick, so slick, and fits in so neatly with the loop-based composition approach, that once you’ve given it the obligatory month to try it out, you’ll never look back either. For me, starting with a kick drum and going all the way to a completed bass, kick and percussion groove, the music will never stop or glitch, once, even when adding plugins or to save. It’s magical. You’re sitting there, writing a dance track from scratch, and it feels more like playing an instrument.
Give it a try, run through the tutorial. I fully admit that people with plenty of Logic experience will be happiest to stick with the environment in which they are, doubtless, very productive. But if you’re starting out, and can afford the comparatively inflated price, you won’t regret it.
Now, knowledgeable people… feel free to comment and disagree
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12:53 pm on June 19th, 2009
Hey Graham, fascinating read and something I never really thought about. I have only used FL7 and Cubase SX briefly and have worked with Luke Warner in Logic. Never even thought of Ableton as a DAW myself. Then again I am clueless really, that and my laptop doesnt run Ableton haha.
Look forward to hearing some non generic logic’ified trance !!
Byeee
1:02 pm on June 19th, 2009
Hey Mat, I certainly wouldn’t ever suggest that Logic produces generic trance! The fact is, 99% of the best producers use Logic, and they do so very well. Logic is also a really creative environment and for people that are used to it, it’s the best place to be. I guess I wanted to challenge the belief that Logic is inherently “better”; I believe that this is a myth with some basis in fact: so many people rely on its excellent plugins that they expect the built-in ones in other DAWs to sound as good.
However, an environment like Ableton Live has let me creative in a way that I could never get from Logic or Cubase, and several people have come back to me with thanks for the recommendation, so I thought I’d share it
1:49 pm on June 19th, 2009
Phew, nice topic here.
I am not nearly as advanced as the two of you on music production but love Ableton. I started out using it for radio shows and pre recorded mixes only but create a lot of work in Ableton these days. I must admit that I do not use Ableton as my main sequencer, I use it as a plug in, using rewire to record to Pro Tools and do the mixdown in the all new Pro Tools 8. Just personal preference I suppose. I know the same is possible for Logic so existing Logic or Pro Tools users can simply check Ableton out as an additional instrument.
It’s beautiful either way
Thanks for all the great info and sure you guys will keep up the great releases….
1:57 pm on June 19th, 2009
Nice! I had a play around with ProTools a while ago – the M-Powered edition. Seemed very audio-centric so I thought I’d give it a stab for band recordings at some point but never got around to it.
I can see that rewiring Ableton into it would be a really nice way to work if you’re just using Ableton for audio-mashing and loops and you’re used to Pro-Tools. I used to rewire Reason into Cubase, way back.
For me though, it’s the workflow of Ableton that really gets me excited, rather than its capabilities. I like not having the faff!
11:44 pm on June 19th, 2009
I’ve gotta say since working with Ben (Tequila Slammer) on our psytrance productions I’ve experienced how creative the work flow is in Ableton, the speed of which you can work building a track is phenomenal. I’m completely sold, just the thought of time stretching samples and going back and forth between channels using the mixer using Logic just chills me to the bone! As you know G, I’ve always been a Logic user mostly because I use a Mac and ten years ago (blimey I can’t believe its been that long) when I first got into production it pissed all over Cubase. If something’s going to make life easier and more fun then I’m always up for a change!
As soon as I’m a fluent my dosh will most definitely be going on Ableton and as I already have Logic I may as well use them both together for the best of both worlds.
By the way, nice Blog Graham!
11:38 am on June 20th, 2009
Nice blog mate, looking forward to following it.
I’m another Ableton convert. Having used various hardware sequencers and Cubase on the Atari and then later reincarnations on the PC, Ableton suits me perfectly.
I’ve had a few plays with Logic – which is incredibly pretty. But so is the sound. Using the supplied instruments I found it all a bit ‘nicey nice’.
I have to say that I loved Reason – just the actual editing window let it down. But I guess thats moved on a bit since the version 2 I used. Oh how I miss the Scream distortion unit!. But ive got a DAW that wokrs for me now. Ableton is well worth the time it takes to get used to it.